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Monday, June 21, 2010

A Conversation with Photographer and Sociologist David Schalliol

PART THREE



[Unless otherwise noted, all photographs by David Schalliol, http://www.davidschalliol.com/photography]


Jessica Savitz: Your masterful photographs often confront social problems and community change—would you say that your artistic aims are perhaps very different from those of someone like Winogrand, who, in the words of John Szarkowski, “insisted that he was not a philosopher, and did not accept the obligations that are incumbent upon that role. He accepted responsibility only for the clarification, within the potentials of photography, of his own experience” (Szarkowski). What does it mean to you to be a photographer and a sociologist? How do you think an artist reconciles morality and aesthetics—for you, as a sociologist and a photographer, do you envision a wedding of the two roles?

David Schalliol: Being a sociologist and a photographer requires holding oneself to multiple standards (some in conflict with each other, most in support of each other), but I mainly see it as having an imperative to seek some kind of truth using a broad range of tools. Rather than primarily expressing my own perspective, I seek to both represent a range of perspectives as well as organize material to illuminate new understandings of the human condition – all the while paying critical attention to aesthetics. It’s a tall order that I am certainly not always able to fill, but I consistently seek to improve my work in the traditions of both disciplines. Negotiating the two is somewhat simplified by an understanding that, as social beings, we must work to consistently hold ourselves to particular principles of social action. Those principles are equally relevant to all activities.

JS: I appreciate your complex reconsiderations of particular settings and photographic tropes and symbology. In your Detroit series, you eloquently write, “Detroit is not merely ‘the failure of Fordism’ or ‘the proving ground for future society’ but a unique lived presence, and, for many, home” (http://www.davidschalliol.com/).

Walker Evans wrote, in a 1934 letter he never sent, “Detroit’s full of chances” (Meyerowitz 286).



You philosophize, “Dereliction, its correction and the steady current of life are fundamentally intertwined,” which brings to mind your striking photograph of the fire lushly blooming beyond a backyard fence.



One of my favorites of your photographs is similarly complex, showcasing people planting bushy grasses in front of an immense, vacant building. It seems to me that this photograph isn’t simply a straightforward ode to “renewal”; rather, it seems a beautiful investigation of repetition and a strange immortality—the abandoned building, expressive of a sort of “intimate immensity”, its empty windows like repeated photographic “frames”, harmonize strangely with the uniform bushy trees and the uniformed planters (which, because of their uniformity, almost gives the sense of a time-lapse photograph of one immortal man, dressed in a yellow tee-shirt, planting in the soil for all time) (Bachelard 184). Is this a picture of the eternal human project of building upon the earth?



DS: I’d say that half of the photograph is about the complexities of human manipulation of the earth in sociopolitical context, but the other half is about the flipside of that process. We are unique creatures, but it is important to remind ourselves that we are as natural as everything else. Reconceptualizing human activity as one aspect of much larger natural processes provides new ways to interpret human action as a contributor to a variety of life cycles rather than an exogenous influence on one another.

JS: Whereas some street photographers might regard a shot of a particular building as incidental or merely visually interesting, you are thoughtfully approaching relationships between buildings and people; buildings can be “harbingers of the aspirations of community change” and “bellwethers of dramatic economic development dynamics” (http://www.davidschalliol.com/) — the nearly heavenly photograph of the Farnsworth-house-pristine white food-stand from Detroit:



and "Chud's" with the gentleman and his shadow walking so intimately past it:



the chapel-like little gray building with drooped shoulders:



Gaston Bachelard writes, “Winter is the oldest of seasons. Not only does it confer age upon our memories, taking us back to a remote past but, on snowy days, the house too is old.”



Bachelard quotes Henri Bachelin: “Those were the evenings when, in old houses exposed to snow and icy winds, the great stories, the beautiful legends that men handed down to one another, take on concrete meaning…and thus it was, perhaps, that one of our ancestors, who lay dying in the year one thousand, should have come to believe in the end of the world.”



Bachelard: “And what a striking thing that a mere image of the old homestead in the snow-drifts should be able to integrate images of the year one thousand in the mind of a child” (Bachelard 41-2).

A white house with pink trim somehow seems to emit snow and light and the sense of the eternal, from your Isolated Building Studies.



What did you feel most at the time you took this photograph of the house in the snow? Why is an isolated house in the snow is so evocative?

DS: The relative size of the house, the pink trim and snow evoked an almost idyllic sense despite the obvious indications of heavy industry and neighborhood clearance, but my dominant feeling was actually contrary to the mood of the image. This is a case in which an image is unable to accurately convey the feeling of a place because it doesn’t account for smell. There was an overwhelming stench in the air that appeared just as I was taking the photograph. Despite the smell clearing within a couple of minutes, my chest ached for another hour. Here, the idyllic feeling was counteracted by disgust and a little pain. All of that said, with time, I’ve come to relate to the photograph more on visual than my initial experiential terms.



More generally, I think a snowy landscape is particularly special for visual representations of place because it softens and homogenates the landscape. It covers trash, derelict lots, and other signs of community problems and -- when freshly fallen -- substitutes a pristine softness.



From there, we fill in the blanks. Despite its urban context, the isolated building surrounded by snow has the potential to be read as even more rural, and thus more connected to our idealized agrarian past than our urban present. Rather than seeing a house in a neighborhood that has suffered forty years of decline, we reference the frontier life of farms dotting the horizon.

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A Ph.D. student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Chicago, David Schalliol is academically and artistically interested in issues of social stratification and meaning in the social and physical worlds.

In addition to his sociological and photographic activities, David plays an active role on several websites, including his work as Founder and Editor of metroblossom and Managing Editor of Gapers Block.


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Please visit our blog site again soon; next week, we will showcase part four of the Schalliol interview.


The staff at MIR Appraisal Services, Inc. seeks to fully understand the arts in their particular cultural contexts and to analyze relationships between various artistic mediums and genres; in this way we can broaden our expertise as art appraisers. We are located just steps from the Art Institute of Chicago and the Chicago Cultural Center; please do give us a ring to set up an appointment for a verbal evaluation of your most prized works of art.




Interview by Jessica Savitz




MIR Appraisal Services, Inc.


Principal Appraiser: Farhad Radfar, ISA AM


307 N. Michigan Avenue, Suite 308

Chicago, IL 60601


Phone: (312) 814-8510




Works Cited:

http://www.davidschalliol.com/photography

Bachelard, Gaston. The Poetics of Space. Boston: Beacon Press, 1994.

Szarkowski, John. Winogrand: Figments From the Real World. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1988.

Friday, June 4, 2010

A Conversation with Photographer and Sociologist David Schalliol

PART ONE

[Unless otherwise noted, all photographs by David Schalliol, http://www.davidschalliol.com/photography]

INTRODUCTION

While compiling the recent series concerning the oeuvre of mid-century photographer Vivian Maier, I found it compelling to take an in-depth look at the works of David Schalliol, a masterful contemporary photographer currently residing in Chicago.


How supremely interesting to witness the deep unearthing of Maier’s photographs of Chicago in the ‘50s and ‘60s (some 1500 rolls of undeveloped film) alongside Schalliol’s current complex and sophisticated portraits of grand, mournful, strange, and quiet buildings, which, like Chicago’s little “mountains”, are continually revived and eroded by the changing life of neighborhoods.


In an interview with Martin Schwander, Jeff Wall spoke of his photograph Restoration, addressing the “massiveness of the task the figures are undertaking [“the conservation of the Bourbaki Panorama in Lucerne”]:


Jeff Wall, Restoration


“There might be associations of that massiveness with the futility of ever bringing the past into the ‘now’” (Brougher 41). The tensions and textures of Maier’s “excavation” find harmony with Schalliol’s vision of the destructive and fecund layers of humankind’s work upon the land.


Jessica Savitz: Dave, I imagine your work as a sort of urban take on the work of the Barbizon painters—


you are standing right in the center of the “field”—for you, the field of human activity, or sometimes in “post-human”, abandoned spaces, recording, with the immediacy of your camera, “daily trials of frostbitten fingers at winter's dawn or sunburned hands at summer's midday… answer[ing] the quest for landscape's metaphoric power” (Heilbrunn).


Do you have any rituals associated with the photographic process or photographic outings?


David Schalliol: I wouldn’t say that I have any rituals involved with the photographic process, but the idea of exploration is an important part of my photographic outings. Whether I’m in Chicago or somewhere new, I typically head off in the direction in which I’d like to photograph and then repeatedly change course because of an unusual landmark, a break in the clouds, a group of people or an unrecognized corner.


While I’m always looking for something to photograph, the act of exploration is a crucial piece of the process.


JS: I love reading about Winogrand and Meyerowitz on their expeditions together. Joel Meyerowitz: “Garry loved company. He needed to be out on the street, and he needed company out there with him all the time… Right from the beginning, he would call in the morning and say, ‘Listen, I’ll meet you at the greasy spoon on Ninety-sixth and Amsterdam: we’ll have coffee, we’ll go out, we’ll shoot.’ I was up and ready to go. I was off and running for the next three intense years—1962 to 1965—with this guy, this unstoppable bundle of nerves” (Meyerowitz 375). Do you like to photograph with a buddy?


DS: Generally, yes. I love sharing the experience of being in the field. While one can always share the images after the fact, viewing the image is a totally different kind of experience than being there. I don’t expect the typical viewer to have that experience, but I wish to share that with friends.


I suppose I have two caveats: the first is that it can be difficult to photograph with another photographer if for no other reason that one doesn’t want to poach another’s shot. With that in mind, there are only a handful of people with whom I feel comfortable enough for joint photography excursions to work fully. The other caveat is I don’t want others to be bored. Waiting 20 minutes for the next L train to pass is one thing if one is planning a shot and listening for the rumble of the approaching wheels, but it’s something else if one is simply waiting.


JS: How did you start taking photographs?


DS: I’ve been interested in photography since my parents bought me an instant Kodak camera when I was eight or so, but I didn’t seriously start taking photographs until the early 1990s. I was taking a darkroom processing class when I started to experiment with taking photographs of the Indianapolis punk rock scene as well as the transitional areas between the suburbs and farmland. Since then, I’ve built on the theme of transition across a range of rural and urban environments, mainly contingent on where I’ve lived.


JS: Who are your influences? Who are your favorite street photographers? What is your all-time favorite photograph?


DS: It’s surprisingly difficult to identify my main photographic influences because I only casually viewed other photographers until the last couple of years. Without other photographs to pore over, I’ve always thought about my early influences as the journalistic work of George Orwell and John Steinbeck, as well as novels by the likes of Émile Zola and Upton Sinclair. In each case, I was drawn to the author’s treatment of place as a critical facet of the human experience. Perhaps the most memorable of these is Steinbeck’s use of distinct chapters to investigate facets of the changing landscape in The Grapes of Wrath. Later perspectives have mainly come from the sociological tradition. The main exception is Camilo José Vergara, whose New American Ghetto I picked up in 1998. It was the only closest thing to a photography book I owned for another decade.


Camilo José Vergara, Girls, Barbies, Harlem


As I’ve become more engaged in the photographic world in the last couple of years, I’ve made a conscious effort to identify the photographers whose work has informed the genres in which mine may be located. Like many others, I’ve come to appreciate many of the photographers associated with the New Topographics show and the Düsseldorf School, as well as those experimenting with color photography in the 1960s and 1970s.


Standouts include Frank Gohlke:


Joel Meyerowitz:


Stephen Shore:


and, of course, the Bechers:


Some of the contemporary work to which I’m drawn includes that of Jan Banning:


Gabriele Basilico:


and the team of Adam Broomberg and Oliver Chanarin:


I’m not certain I have an all-time favorite photograph, but Henri Cartier Bresson’s Madrid, 1933 has all of the right elements:


JS: Would you categorize your work as “street photography”?


DS: While I certainly take many photographs that could be considered “street photography,” I don’t usually think of them as such. Instead, I tend to think about my work as more landscape photography or some kind of structured social documentary work. The distinction may be slight, but there is often a kind of looseness in street photography that I don’t often engage. Instead, I study the built environment and approach a scene more on “my time” rather than what could be said is the independent time of the scene. That’s not to say that I’m not seeking “the moment” of a photograph, but that moment may be a little longer than a typical street photographer’s.


JS: Did you or do you ever use film? Reflecting on John Maloof’s recent discovery of Vivian’s Maier’s work, it’s just so fascinating to think of 1500 rolls of undeveloped photographs, especially from so long ago! The way we deal with digital photography is so immediate. What are your feelings about the current tools of the photographer, and the ways in which the cessation of the suspense of developing one’s photographs has changed us?


DS: I photographed using black and white film as well as color slides from 1993 until about 2003, at which point I disassembled my darkroom and switched full time to digital. I still have a couple of undeveloped rolls of film and negatives that I haven’t reviewed in years – but 1500 is almost unimaginable. I’m looking forward to seeing that output!


While I’m sure I still romanticize the process of film-based photography and the discipline of waiting, I have become an enthusiastic advocate for digital photography. That quick loop of image creation and assessment has actually strengthened my relationship to the environment, and I believe it’s made me a better photographer. With film, I felt pressures of time and money to primarily shoot images when I really understood the lighting. With digital, I’m freed from those pressures. As such, I’m able to be more experimental with light, yielding what I hope are more natural images across a broader range of situations.


That said, our relationship with the image is certainly changing. As with seemingly everything, we’re becoming more impatient, but we’re only just now figuring out what to do with the hundreds of images we can shoot a day and where their worth lies. When I’m wearing my photo editor hat, I’m astounded by the number of photographs I see of the same subject – perhaps from the same photographer. There’s no doubt that the editing process hasn’t caught up with the ability to produce an endless number of images of anything that momentarily fascinates us – and perhaps there is where the impatience catches up with us again.


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A Ph.D. student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Chicago, David Schalliol is academically and artistically interested in issues of social stratification and meaning in the social and physical worlds.

In addition to his sociological and photographic activities, David plays an active role on several websites, including his work as Founder and Editor of metroblossom and Managing Editor of Gapers Block.

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Please visit our blog site again soon; next week, we will showcase part two of the Schalliol interview.


The staff at MIR Appraisal Services, Inc. seeks to fully understand the arts in their particular cultural contexts and to analyze relationships between various artistic mediums and genres; in this way we can broaden our expertise as art appraisers. We are located just steps from the Art Institute of Chicago and the Chicago Cultural Center; please do give us a ring to set up an appointment for a verbal evaluation of your most prized works of art.



Interview by Jessica Savitz


MIR Appraisal Services, Inc.

Principal Appraiser: Farhad Radfar, ISA AM

307 N. Michigan Avenue, Suite 308

Chicago, IL 60601

Phone: (312) 814-8510

Web: www.mirappraisal.com


Works Cited:

http://www.davidschalliol.com/photography

Brougher, Kerry. Jeff Wall. Los Angeles; The Museum of Contemporary Art, 1997.

The Barbizon School: French Painters of Nature | Thematic Essay | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Meyerowitz, Joel and Westerbeck, Colin. Bystander: A History of Street Photography. New York: Little, Brown and Company, 1994.

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